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Discussion in 'Love and Attraction' started by Cornucopia, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia Well-Known Member IQ: 140+

    So I've been having a couple of discussions with some feminists; I do live in Sweden after all. Now, I'm really not that interested in morality, sex and gender equality, but I am interested in biological breeding patterns and human psychology.

    How do you think an abundance of pornography affect the individual if they're exposed to it from an early age.
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  2. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    The walls of Pompeii tell us that the Romans thought nothing of exposing the young to pornography, whereas we make a big, anal-retentive, neurotic deal out of it - mostly due to Judeo-Christian morality, which tells us that sex - any kind of sex - is essentially a bad and shameful thing. I don't think that people would be nearly as warped and twisted as they are if they were exposed to sex - including pornography - from an early age - if they weren't fed the bullshit that sex is only good if it takes place between loving partners who are in a religiously and socially sanctified marriage (till death do them part). Instead, children should be taught the truth - the human being is a highly sexual animal that wouldn't bother to reproduce if sex were not pleasurable - that there is nothing wrong w/sex, so long as it takes place between consenting adults - that sex is really a good thing.
  3. Preacherbob

    Preacherbob Well-Known Member Unclaimed IQ

    On this subject in particular it might be noted that faith, while it has some significance in the realm of morality, isn't the major factor when determining if the consumption of pornography is actually good or bad for human sexuality.
    Disclosing human sexuality to children at an early age is not the problem for certainly it is a human function and one that will soon take on a much higher significance as the child grows into puberty and beyond.
    Being aware of the human physical form should not be a problem for indeed, as children, the mystery and mystique of the opposite sex has been a prevailing part of conversation between young ones when in fact, there should be no mystery at all but fascinating.

    The problem that most research I have read about dealing with the subject has to do with couples in the area of fidelity and sexual security. Here's a link that I found quite illuminating and do hope it might be a good addition to the thread. There are more scientific studies out there that pretty much agree but this is just an easy one for the casual viewer.
  4. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    From the title of the link - w/o even looking at the link - I'm prepared to say, "nonsense!" The human being is inclined to infidelity from the get. The whole idea of fidelity goes against human nature and has only to do w/the retention and transmission of property and - much later - the idea of romance created by the troubadours in late Medieval Europe. The genetic urge to spread the genes as far and wide as possible remains in tact and will not be so easily thwarted.
  5. Preacherbob

    Preacherbob Well-Known Member Unclaimed IQ

    Then by the same analysis we can say that killing another human being is also an attribute. It can be argued that the genetically bound instinct for man to kill another is natural therefore acceptable.
  6. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    We could say that - but don't. Comparing the two is illogical. Besides, it is only recently that the killing of everybody became morally wrong. In the past, the social status of the victim decided whether the murder was wrong. Higher ups were allowed to kill w/impunity until very recently in human history.
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  7. Preacherbob

    Preacherbob Well-Known Member Unclaimed IQ

    Ah but I do compare it to that and will by the same analysis you used for viewing pornography.
    The human psyche is a grand box of fruit loops out of which we can draw any number of genetic conclusions based on what we are looking for. The causation for murder or sex is based on primal instinct or that which our own entangled DNA dictates it to be and nothing more or less. On the other hand, the overwhelming fascination that one holds for one or the other is the epitome of the present examination and not the primal demand of procreation and population or the direct opposite.

    The Romans did indeed teach their young about sexuality but their social teachings prior to the advent of Christianity is completely different than the modern Western world has been lead to believe. Male and female promiscuity were not favored by the Romans but rather the opposite in favor of personal control. Women were not allowed to drink alcohol lest they should become adulterous. Men in high places were discharged if they were found guilty of rape.
    It is here that I have digressed in that the subject is about viewing pornography and not about what is primal or what is not. The causation for action due to a primal calling is at best an irresponsible notation on society.

    The questions I have to ask are simple: Can viewing pornography be considered a form of mental adultery? Can the over indulgence of pornographic viewing become an obsession or a form of fetishism? Can the obsessive viewing of pornography become jaded and prompt the brain for even more stimulus in the form of other sexual formats in order to achieve the chemical < biological reactions it is being called upon to perform?
    Those and many other queries are the prompting of so much research into the effects of visual auto programming the brain and in particular the realm of human sexuality.

    But alas, just because I agree with the studies does not mean that I am out here trying to force others to follow the massive amounts of research that is readily available. I live my life the way I do and hopefully others will live their life as they wish also, provided it is peacefully.
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  8. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    You make my point by noting that the Romans favored chastity, despite the ubiquitous presence of pornography. I simply disagree that pornography turns people into craven animals. I disagree w/the whole consortium of exposure psychologists who claim that video games, violence on TV and in movies, and sex all over the place are the cause of the "breakdown" of our wonderful society. Nonsense. I know enough history to know that our "wonderful" society had full police blotters going back into the 19th Century - plenty of rape, murder, and mayhem for everybody. Gore galore for as far back in history as one could care to go. Why, in Medieval Rome, there was an average of 7 bodies per day being fished out of the Tiber, bodies of victims murdered in the most gruesome fashions - and Rome, don't forget, was Civitas Dei, the "The City of God!" So, no - TRUTH is we are actually living in the most peaceful and law-abiding era in human history with the lowest crime rates ever. I just don't buy the whole exposure malarky.
  9. Preacherbob

    Preacherbob Well-Known Member Unclaimed IQ

    So here again, we are at an impasse. I with my opinion and you with yours @marom. My personal opinion concerning my own non-usage of porn is that my libido is quite satisfactory without any outside stimulation and frankly, I consider sitting around watching it or reading it a total waste of my time and a lousy use of good brain cells. A little Sergei Rachmaninoff, my research and a good pipe. Now THAT's sexy!!!
  10. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    I don't use pornography, either. It's simply that I don't object to others using it.
  11. extr3me

    extr3me Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 130+

    Isn't that what happens today anyways? I mean, not THAT much as pornography, but close enough. In most media women are equal to their sex appeal, and most pictures of women on the internet, and the actual profiles of them in social medias and the like are in some relationship with dating, clubbing and all that. So, I don't think it needs to go any further, most movies as well are all about settling down with a woman. Like that's all we are after.

    I'm not sure if I can take more pornography and it is working actually, we have a working system that does what society wants I guess.
  12. marom

    marom Well-Known Member Claimed IQ: 140+

    Showing women in less than a burkha does not amount to pornography; depicting women who are socially empowered is not licentiousness.
  13. Chuck

    Chuck Active Member Claimed IQ: 150+

    I don't think porn is for kids...and that it could have quite a wide array of bad results. But not all nudity is porn right?
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  14. Creedinger

    Creedinger Well-Known Member IQ: 120+

    Most porn is extremely degrading towards women and I would not want my child to grow up thinking that this is normal.

    That would be one of the remarks I have about porn. Real sex is a lot about touching, kissing, licki ... you get the idea but porn is only in out in out and produced for men only.
    Then a lot of stuff, which works in porn does not really work in real life (not fun in real life) and a lot of what is really fun in real life is not shown in porn.

    Two people having normal sex would be fine and sometimes even educational but the avg. porn movie is definatly not.
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  15. Moloch

    Moloch Well-Known Member IQ: Over 150

    What he said.
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  16. WheatieMuncher

    WheatieMuncher Well-Known Member IQ: 120+

    *Thinks about rubber tires and barbed wire*
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  17. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia Well-Known Member IQ: 140+

    Exactly the kind of response I wasn't interested in. Also exactly the kind of response I was expecting.
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  18. Chuck

    Chuck Active Member Claimed IQ: 150+

    For someone who expresses a dislike for porn, you seem to have some pretty broad takes on the topic. I also acknowledge that I've not seem "most" porn, so that could explain why I'm not so familiar with the degrading aspects you claim.
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  19. Preacherbob

    Preacherbob Well-Known Member Unclaimed IQ

    An earlier post I produced asked several questions centered around the jading effect that open pornography has on society but alas no one chose to answer those queries with even a modicum of speculation.

    When I was in the commercial kitchens, over the years I became accustomed to being burned. As time went on, it took more heat in order for my brain to acknowledge the burn until eventually even a 2nd degree burn was painless. Now, the question might arise as to whether this situation is good or bad. Occupationally it has it's merits but physically and mentally there are a lot of apparent downfalls.

    The same goes for pornography. We adapt so easily to levels of stimulation be it pain or pleasure that it takes more of whatever in order to produce a desired reaction. When that reaction doesn't occur, then a greater influence is needed to create a satisfactory conclusion. Which, in the case of exposure to porn, I sincerely believe (with evidence readily available) that it can lead to a fantasy to fact situation even eventually bridging upon a loss of intimacy / fascination with a single partner and escalating one's need for greater stimuli.
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  20. Moloch

    Moloch Well-Known Member IQ: Over 150

    If you go fishing you should not complain you catch fish o_O.

    I suppose I could now toss the entire "A lot of porn/typs of pornography is bad for you, Japan, Hentai, less sexual crimes" framework at you, but you don't really seem interested in that. Let's put it this way: Would any Dabrowskian be making porn? If so, what kind of porn would that be?

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